Let us know how it goes, maybe we should all be donk betting
POOL Discussion Thread
Alright ladies and gents, welcome to my first Rate My Line. So here I have 75s (hearts).
OK so I played flop as a check-raise, I think I have plenty of value hands here that would want to x/r too (66,88,J8,J6s,86s) and monster draws that want to build a pot. 75 is one of those hands that feels like I should add it to my x/r range as a bluff since it can make the nuts (although only with an offsuit 4).
Turn I make my straight (woohoo) although not the nuts. Bet feels standard, getting value from overpairs, Jx, and maybe sets and 2pair combos, and flush draws too.
Then comes the river, which hurts me a little inside. Obviously now I’m losing to any of the sets and the 2pair combos like J9, 98s. I think I can maybe get some value from AJ or KJ, maybe worse if he thinks I’m betting whiffed flush draws, not sure. Perhaps this is a little too thin and I should try to check-call river and get to showdown? As played I folded to the river raise because I don’t think I’m beating anything.
Thoughts on this hand? I’m still learning a lot and would definitely appreciate any input
I think I play this the same/similar. X/r on the flop is good and you definitely want to bet the turn. On the river I think you should still go for value as you did. I have a hard time imagining Xenon jamming here without having you beat. Most of his value hands play better as bluff catchers to your line.
I had that last combo of 98s. Seems like you had a pretty good read on the situation. I would’ve preferred a call though.
A few observations probably more pertinent to deeper stacks but: 1) you never have any of the nut boat combos here: JJ, J9s, 89s, 99… 2) if you’re folding 75 you are only calling 6 combos from your flop x/r range, and 3) 66 is not that different from 75 if you don’t think Xenon is jamming straights which leaves you w 3 callable combos of 88… so if Xenon is literally never bluffing then obv fold is the correct play, but if Xenon realizes the above and starts jamming missed flush draws or Jx you probably want to widen your bet call range… in fact you might not even have a value bet/fold range on this river.
Random thought: It would be cool to be able to view the timestamps of when the completed player actions happened. That way if you think a player is tilting you can check if their last action in a hand was before or after when you suspect they started tilting.
No comment . Hahahaha
After some time at the NL50z tables, I have determined I need practice. So here we are again
@Insurrection welcome back - curious if you had to guess what do you think was your biggest leak at the 50NLz tables? What were the best regs doing better than you?
Unfortunately my HUD license recently expired, so I no longer have access to my full stats. However, there were a few things that felt a bit off to me. First off, my flop c-bet was hovering in the low 40s, which felt a little too low given my other stats (30% VPIP, 21% PFR, 9% 3-bet). OOP you can’t really get away with c-betting too much, but IP I’d like to be more aggressive to get this number in the 50s. I’ve found I’m too hesitant to merge my range in some spots and failed to knock my opponent out of the pot as often as I should. For how much I’ve played, I still feel a bit uncomfortable navigating sizings on different flop textures as I’ve seen a lot of contradictory advice, and I hate resorting to range betting or near range betting because I often feel lost on the turn.
Unfortunately I don’t have a coach or too many other skilled players to help evaluate my play, but some other spots I felt I was leaving money on the table included:
- overaggressively raising limps preflop, especially as the SB
- check-folding flop/turn too much as the OOP 3-bettor
- not reacting properly to donk bets (I probably fold/trap too much)
- paying off river raises, turn check raises, and other spots where pool underbluffs
- not turning showdown value into bluffs when appropriate
- stacking off pre with stuff like AK and QQ >100 BBs deep
Overall, I’d still say I’m a winning player at these stakes, but I definitely have spots that I’d like to improve and experiment with.
Enjoyed reading your analysis, thanks for sharing.
Wow - nice hand!
Speaking of tilt a few days ago, how does tilt end up affecting people here? Since it’s so many hands to play in a row, do we think tilt is more impactful here than in normal games?
I noticed one way it affects me here is that I stop caring about playing sound poker for the match altogether. Just had a match where I went all in pre with AKs vs KK, KK vs AA, QQ vs KK, and QQ vs AA. Obviously it happens but it tilted me a bit, and I started making more maniac plays and stupid calls, because “who cares, it’s already a lost match.” Curious to hear from others.
@Vexxus I have a theory that tilt is so tilting because we don’t know if we are just getting unlucky or if we are getting outplayed by a particular opponent. What helped me was starting to analyze my plays in terms of ranges, so to borrow from your example:
It looks like you are 4-bet/5-bet getting in: AK,QQ,KK,AA
If your opponent is getting in a similar range or worse, that range is probably fine. But can you say that you have seen a certain opponent get in JJ or even AK vs you pre?
If a particular opponent is only getting in KK and AA vs you pre, then look how it changes things… AKo will only win 17.5% of the time, and QQ only 19.3%:
In fact if you are getting in AK,QQ,KK,AA vs an opponent that is only getting in KK,AA you will win less than 1/3 of the time!
Anyways, sorry for the ramble, but my point is if I get into a situation where I get KK in pre vs an opponent that I’ve seen get in QQ pre vs me in the past, but this time they happened to have AA I feel near 0 tilt, however if I get in QQ vs an opponent that just always has KK or AA then I would tilt because I feel like the mistake was my part for misplaying the hand.
@C4pAble yeah man, thanks for the write-up. Getting unlucky and getting outplayed are two types of tilt for sure. I am affected by both in different ways. In my example here what actually tilted me was that I got it in bad 4 times, and good once (QQ vs AK). I’m fine running kings into aces, it happens, and I’ve had the opposite plenty of times. In this case I will tweak against those opponents as you suggested
I had a super tilting hand in a home game recently, where a guy called a 5bb raise from the small blind vs two players with 86s and the flop came 457 rainbow. I had 77 so doubled the guy up in that hand. In the long run I’m glad he plays that way, I hope he always calls big raises with stupid hands. But in the moment it’s like why did that have to happen exactly when I hit top set on the flop lol. Super easy to get over, much easier than when I make a numbskull play and get punished. Those ones burn for longer.