POOL Discussion Thread

Hooooly! How did this happen @Skid?!

Oh you know, some bad calls, bad bluffs…
…and a bit of photoshop haha
Although it doesn’t feel that far off :sweat_smile:

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Thank you @Gramma for joining me in the wild ride that was this hand

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Wow what a crazy runout!

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I share this hand for two reasons.

  1. Its a really cool hand!
  2. I definitely didn’t get the most of it. How should I have approached this differently? Should I have checked on the flop to project weakness and hope someone bets the turn? Should I have bet more aggressively on the flop hoping to catch just one person?

@JanetYellen I like your idea of betting more aggressively (bigger) as I think it puts WarLord in a tough spot after being pre flop raiser he might have some AQ, KQ, KJ no club type hands that won’t fold to a single bet so you might as well go big IMO. I dislike a check back as I can’t really think of many hands that would improve strongly enough for you to suddenly raise on the turn, if someone has the Ace of Clubs they won’t be folding flop to any size bet anyways.

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@JanetYellen, nice hand!

I like the small bet on the flop. If you think about how your entire value range wants to play, you certainly wouldn’t want to make a large bet OTF with your 2p, sets, KcQx, etc. You’re going to stack flushes regardless of the size, so I would choose a strategy that keeps their ranges wide.

FWIW in ā€œsolver landā€, monotone and 3-straight flops unanimously feature small bet sizes OTF, presumably because these textures neutralize the nut advantage. Though idk how this changes multiway.

I would definitely cbet the turn though. Bulldog should have a ton of draws/pairs that want to continue.

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Hey guys, figured I’d reply here and share this hand since I was the opponent. I actually flopped the bottom straight with no clubs. I think you played the flop well, and I would get behind another small cbet on the turn, as the 2s doesn’t really change anything. You’re pricing in high Qx, club draws, 2pairs, sets (maybe only Ts), and straights. I would have called a bet on the turn and been in an ugly spot if the river bricked. No idea I was up against the coconuts! Nice hand!

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Nice hand to you too, @Bulldog. And really disciplined laydown on the river with the straight in hand!

I think yall are right that the biggest mistake I made was not betting the turn. Either I get @Bulldog to put more money in, or I save myself the aggravation

If only you had the ace of clubs…

I wanna get a King’s Court game going! Who wants my rating points?

@Insurrection @Skid @Vexxus @MrTsFool @CHoBoMoNKeY ?

@Gambit, you just want to take the crown don’t you?? :smiley:
I’ll join as soon as my current match is finished.

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I have a feeling your rating points won’t come easy. But I couldn’t resist :slight_smile:

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GLGL :grin: and just a heads up - Kings Court is 2500 hands (vs. the normal 1000 hand pools…)

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Yeah, the 2500 hands is why I don’t like playing kings court while I have other matches going. Requires all my focus.

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Still waiting for 5 players in kings court? Or did I just miss the table haha? :smiley:

@Vexxus insurrection stole your spot lol. These kings court games are super tough!

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I’ve been trying to learn to make some big folds on Melee recently, something I’m not very good at. Do you guys think it’s too nitty to fold these?

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Such a gross spot. I need 34% to call, and I have 22% against a straight. If he’s bluffing at any reasonable frequncy this is a snap, or at least close to BE, but I don’t think he’s ever bluffing here. My heart blocker also kinda sucks, because it means he’s less likely to have a draw like QhJh.


This is an older one. Normally I don’t mind getting it in with the 2nd nut flush, but when the tightest player at the table donks pot on the flop, overbets the turn, and overbets the river, it’s probably a fold. Super exploitable but I don’t think Eskimo does takes this line with anything less than the stone cold nuts. I ended up folding this one.

Idk man, I’m calling in both spots. The hand vs eskimo especially, I can’t find it in me to put my opponent on the one card that beats me. It’s worth losing a stack in that spot because you beat so many other hands.

The hand vs flopmeister is a crying call for me but I agree with your analysis. Does he really shove like that with a straight? He’s folding out so many good hands he beats with that sizing. Maybe I slow play too much but if I have KQ there, why would I raise turn and risk you folding?

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ā€œThe hand vs eskimo especially, I can’t find it in me to put my opponent on the one card that beats me. It’s worth losing a stack in that spot because you beat so many other hands.ā€

Do I though? The next best flush is the Th, so I would have to convince myself he’s doing this with Th or worse more than a third of the time, which just doesn’t seem reasonable. Also, Eskimo opens like 10% from the HJ so he’s gonna have a ton of Kh in range. Idk, it just feels so wrong to fold a hand like that though lol.

I ended up calling with the JJ to see KsQs lol. Maybe I should learn to trust my gut a bit more.

Here’s another one. @C4pAble is gonna have a lot of QQ/JJ in his 4b flatting range IP. I felt this one was closer because of the FD, and because I think capable is capable of bluffing here. But at the same time my pot odds are horrendous.